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Subject: Overheating CPUs Date: Sat Nov 07 2020 10:05 am
From: Barry Martin To: Ky Moffet

Hi Ky!

 > No, I don't have a problem with an overheating processor, just couldn't think
 > of a better title that fit. :)
 KM> Sufficiently generic to the topic. :)

Better than some TV shows with episode titles like "203"!  (Which was 
shown after '207'.)


 >    When Intel chips overheat, the ramp down on CPU speeds, when AMD
 >    overheats, they cut power.
 KM> In my experience it's "When Intel CPUs overheat, they throttle
 KM> down (and will recover even if overheated to the point of seizing
 KM> up); when AMD CPUs overheat, they fry and die." Cutting power is
 KM> a definite improvement over croaking outright...

Yes! LIS some time back, did have the problem of the AMD processor 
overheating even though used an official AMD-approved heat sink and fan 
combo,  Found out later in my 'research' AMD expects their gamer clients
to swap out the cooling unit with a heavy-duty one; so what about us
non-gamers??  Heck mine was overheating to the point of shutting down 
just with regular stuff like LibreOffice!


 > Figured I'd post in case that bit of trivia helps someone.  ...The AMD
 > CPU I have here overheated to the point it shut itself off even with the "AMD
 > approved heatsink and fan" sitting on it.  Solved by installing a
 > CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO.  Found out after the Cryorig CR-H7A is rated
 > better and about a $5 difference in price.
 KM> The stock AMD heatsinks are crap. Every damn one I've ever seen
 KM> is junk, and at best barely does the job. When I replaced
 KM> Westworld's crappy stock heatsink with a solid copper heatsink
 KM> with more fins and a bigger fan, its operating temperature went
 KM> down about 20 degrees. (And the fan is much quieter.)

Similar results here: think the critical point is 65°C/150°F.  Was 
getting close to and exceeeding which caused the immediate shot off.  
Once I found out what was wrong (same computer has the random USB lock 
up) and swapping the well-it-should-be-good AMD-approved cooling for teh
CoolerMaster one the overheating problem was gone: have seen as low as 
88°F; currently psensor indicating 118°F.  (I use Imperial Units as 
Metric don't click immediately.)


 KM> This'un, tho I only paid about $12 for it.
 KM> https://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-Socket-Heat-Sink-ACC-9520/dp/B000HR
 KM> PHKE

Price when I checked was $33 + $8.49 shipping; CoolerMaster is $39.99 
and free shipping: I like your $12 deal better, though mine was 
essentially free from a friend in Michigan who for some reason thought 
the fan was supposed to be attached to the case and couldn't figure out 
how to extend the water pipes.  (He has to be given some leeway as he is
extremely near-sighted.)


 KM> Was so impressed I promptly bought another for the other AMD, tho
 KM> the socket939 that it's supposed to also fit was just a little
 KM> goofy and wouldn't seat right (and that board has since died, tho
 KM> I have another that may eventually get it as an upgrade).

Pretty much the same here: I bought a second CoolerMaster though like
you so far no one showing signs of overheating.  A little surprising as
the computer I built using the 'old' CPU from this computer (allegedly
the CPU ran too hot for the motherboard, so got a cooler CPU for this
motherboard and a more compatible motherboard for the old CPU -- 
confused yet?!) has shown no problems with overheating. -- Knock on 
wood!!


 KM> In fact, when I temporarily used a loose chunk of finned copper
 KM> with NO fan (probably started life as a server heatsink), even
 KM> that worked better than the stock aluminum AMD heatsink.

<chuckle> So aluminum seems not to be all that good for conducting heat.
I haven't done that but have twist-tied, etc., spare fans to temporarily
take the place of fans which have frozen.


 KM> I've found AMDs have a more irregular surface than Intels, and
 KM> absolutely require thermal grease (or a crush pad) to make good
 KM> contact (conversely, Intels often don't need it). The cheap
 KM> copper-based grease is the best I've found; with Intels you don't
 KM> notice the difference so much, but with AMDs you can tell it's
 KM> much better than the silver stuff.

Huh.  I know some older processors had some sort of elevated portion so 
the heat sink would only properly fit one way.  Here haven't played with various
heat sink compounds like you have.  For years used a dab from a 
small jar of 'electronics' compound -- marketed for use between a triac 
or voltage regular or power diode, etc., and its heat sink.  Lately 
using a silver (?) compound that came with a Raspberry Pi kit -- keep 
the small jar at the electronics workbench in the basement and the tiny
syringes of heat sink compound that come with the RPi kits up here.


 
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