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Subject: Re: Your opinions on communism Date: Sat Jun 08 2024 05:06 pm
From: Kirk Spragg To: michael goodwind

 mg> Honestly the only way I envison sustainable capitalism or communism is if
 mg> humans are taken out of the key positions of power.  A system of checks and
 mg> balances to prevent humans in power from corrupting and subverting
 mg> the systems for the benefit of few to the detriment of many would be the
 mg> ideal but until we figure out how to roll that out at scale, advanced AI
 mg> being in place to prevent corruption seems to be the only way these 2
 mg> systems of government would sustainably work over long periods of time
 mg> as intended.  Until the AI itself becomes corrupted I suppose

Sounds very much like what the author Ian M Banks envisioned as "The Culture" in
his Culture sci-fi series. Have you read any of his work? The Culture works
pretty much as you describe... and yes occasionally the AIs do get corrupted or
at least take actions that are somewhat unexpected.

Looking at our current attempts at AI, I'd be concerned that the AI didn't start
out corrupted/biased in the first place. I believe this is still something of a
problem. Ultimately AI is currently being made by humans and thus it will end up
affected by our biases and preconceptions. I have no idea how to avoid that. 

 mg> Kirk - I would be curious to hear your thoughts about India vs China. 
 mg> And what you attribute most towards China being able to outpace India in
 mg> lifting more people out of poverty faster, etc etc.

I believe this s a case of the first mover advantage. China started economic
reform earlier and opened up foreign investment & trade in way that worked
really well for them. This allowed China to effectively corner large segments of
manufacturing and also to learn/copy from the west. India I believe is trying
something similar but they really are arrive to the party a bit late.

I don't know much about India's mineral reserves, China though does have a lot
of the rare earth minerals required by a lot of modern tech & they are
exploiting this pretty well. I am not sure that India is as lucky.

Who knows what would have happened in an alternate timeline? One where India
wasn't torn apart by the parition that ended the Raj and didn't have it's
culture and economy so throughly scarred, might very well have resulted in an
India that became the world's manufacturing powerhouse instead of China. As it
is, the partition happened, it broke apart peoples, cultures and supply chains
and it left India with massive budget and trade deficits for quite some time &
that really has held India back.

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