Hi Ky!
> KM> If I'm just experimenting, I use real hardware and a stack of
> KM> small hard drives... much more reliable results. One PC, fifty
> KM> OSs. <g>
> Probably better to use real hardware than 'pretend' hardware but again a
> matter of "all depends". I don't test/try stuff all that often and the
> expense of getting hot swap enclosures would probably really make a 'no'.
> Plus I'm running out of room: another computer plus storage of those
> hard drives!
KM> My experience is that LiveCD, Virtual Machine, and Real Hardware
KM> are not equivalent, in behavior or performance. Many a Linux
KM> LiveCD can see the other PCs on the network, but the same one
KM> INSTALLED cannot.
My experiementation and recollections aren't sufficient to verify or
dispute. Here usually LiveCD is to do an installation and at that point
I don't care if that computer sees the other computers or not.
Virtual Machine.... know it sometimes has problems even transferring
data to the host machine even with that scratchpad function set. (Ever
do SneakerNet from one machine to the same physical machine?!)
> KM> But when I need to run something that the host OS doesn't like...
> KM> that's why I do VMs.
> You do a heck of a lot more experimenting than I do!
KM> A whole lot. <g>
But still easier and safer in the long run to experiment on a disposable
machine, even if doesn't always work the same.
KM> Still preferably on real hardware, but am hunting for a VM that
KM> will work on Roadkill... my regular XP VM wouldn't even finish
KM> loading.
First thing that comes to mind is insufficent space. ...Checking
mine..... 32-bit XP, Motherboard tab has 'Enable I/O APIC' tic'd.
Everything else seems relatively normal.
> KM> Did you see the crazy thing (I think it was) MJD did, with VMs
> KM> inside of VMs until it went all the way from Newest Windows to
> KM> Oldest Windows??
> No but sounds like an interesting project! Wonder if considered going
> back to MS-DOS?! ..Wonder how much storage it takes? Presume on a
> NVMe just for a reasonable speed to load the most current version, then
> the next from that, and the next from that one....
KM> LOL, you can do that, if you have enough RAM!
Can that be increased with Virtual RAM?!
> > > Yes, the 'rolling upgrade process' can be a litte detail-filled!
> > KM> "Rolling" is supposed to refer to the software, not the server
> > KM> cabinet!
> > Only when forget to set the brakes on the cabinet's wheels!
> KM> OUT OF THE WAY, BERTHA IS ROLLING!!!!!
> When I was growing up a strip mall was created on a swampy area. They filled
> in with the the usual dirt (guess from other construction sites)
> but also trees. ...You know what happens when trees rot or even the branches
> collapse? Yup! So the store floors are supported by what's underneath,
> which sometimes wasn't there. ...Eventually if one didn't
> hold on to shopping cart it would roll away!
KM> LOL, the old Costco here (they've moved) had that issue. The
KM> parking lot was atop what used to be a dump. Flat when first
KM> paved, but a few decades later it was up hill and down dale in
KM> every direction, tho with the largest dent toward the middle. And
KM> I mean a serious slope, not just a little dip!
Mine might have yours beat: I recall there were some sinkholes in the
stores (probably also the parking lot but I was too young to drive so
didn't pay attention) which were cordoned off. We didn't do it but I
remember Dad commented on running with the xcart would be like a
rollercoaster.
> > KM> I've come to greatly prefer a rolling distro for an everyday
> > KM> desktop. There are NO UPGRADES and therefore NO REINSTALLS.
> KM> Regressions have been pretty rare. They all do some degree of
> KM> updating between, but the real point is there is no such thing as
> KM> a release version, because it just keeps trundling to the future
> KM> without the need of silly version numbers.
> "Beeg number good! Impressive!" Personally I don't use the version
KM> LOL, there is that. Then again, numbers like 0.29 are not
KM> impressive.
Only when shopping and there's a dollar sign prefixing!
> numbers other than to keep track: right now I need '31' for MythTV and
> it pretty much doesn't matter which version of the OS it runs on. As
> for the OS in general, I'm not a latest-and-greatest type of guy as for
> the OS in general but do sort of like to keep the thing up-to-date for
> security and other patches.
KM> Came across some idiot on Youtube "demonstrating how unsafe XP is
KM> online" .... first thing he does is DISABLE THE FIREWALL, and
KM> naturally it immediately collected every circulating network worm
KM> or virus. Uh, stupid, do that with ANY OS and it'll have the same
KM> thing happen!!
Right! Take any current system, disable firewalls and security stuff,
and see how long it lasts! ...I'd be willing to bet my old DEC Rainbow
100 running DOS 2.11 would be trashed quickly. ...Well, might take a
while: as I recall 4Kbps modem.
KM> And then he says, "I don't think the firewall is much good" ...
KM> <headdesk>
Once disabled it is no good!
> > Around here I'd prefer manual version upgrades, meaning to go from
> > version 22 to version 23, not the more-minor updates. Have had old
> > computers no longer work properly with upgrades: IMO not a fault of the
> > OS, though one could say it didn't check for compatibility.
> KM> Yeah, that is a problem. And yes, it should do a compatibility
> KM> check, but that's not sexy programming, you should just do a
> KM> reinstall and stop bothering us.
> I've noticed Mozilla appears to do a full re-install instead of an update and
> I think LibreOffice does too.
KM> A lot of these monolithic programs do that. However, IIRC Ubuntu
KM> is now all containerized (or at least I heard it was going to
KM> be), which means you always replace the whole thing.
Could be. I had thought they would stick with the compartmentalization
so if one thing breaks it doens't take down the whole thing.
KM> A: Presently, it can't, if your install is over ... about a year
KM> since it was last updated?? anyway, it whines that I must
KM> authorize a different server, but zero information on how that's
KM> to be done. Screw it, in the same time I can just install a new
KM> one. Not like I want to save anything but the wallpaper.
> I've done upgrades on Ubuntu (so by extension Debian) but on smaller,
> more basic machines. (By 'more basic' I'm meaning not too much has been
> added/modified from the original.) OTOH I do tend to go for a
> from-scratch upgrade install because something major has been changed in
> the machine, or a setting is wrong (old example: root set too small) and
> while something like the root partition can be expanded (I've done it)
> from my past experiences (Linux and Windows) it's just overall better to
> start with a clean slate.
KM> Generally, but there's another advantage of Rolling...
KM> If I have to reinstall with every version upgrade, I won't use
KM> it. That simple.
LIS in some other message I tend to do a full upgrade just because it
makes more sense: I usually have a new (updated) machine and so have
changed enough it makes more sense to discover all the hardware new than
to have to new OS look at the old list and make revisions from that. (I
know I'm using human-thinking method.) Plus over the decades with
MS-DOS, Windows and a few flavours of Linux I haven't had the greatest
luck in upgrading and having everything work properly the first day.
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