Hello Dan,
On Tuesday January 03 2023 08:04, you wrote to me:
DC> Yes... but the real question there above is what does *IPv6* offer me
DC> that I don't already have?
On the risk that you will respond with "I don't need that", here are some
points:
1) Getting rid of NAT. With IPv6 it will be back to how Internet was originally
designed: as a peer to peer network with full end to end connectivity.
2) Running multiple servers without the need for non standard ports. Every
server can have its own public routable address. Instead of one, you will at
least have 2^64 public routable addresses at you disposal.
3) Connect to IPv6 only systems.
DC> Also, it's got nothing to do with "pioneer spirit". It's not new
DC> technology, it's just a different way of addressing an ethernet port.
Semantics. it is something new (for you at least, not for me I have been dealing
with it for over a decade). And exploring new things - without needing it, but
just because it is there is what pioneer spirit is about.
DC>> I have excellent internet access without it. It won't give me
DC>> any more speed or bandwidth. So why do I need it?
I can not answer that question. I do not know what you need, only you can decide
what you need.
DC> In the early days of Fidonet, the "new" stuff was *NEEDED* just to
DC> participate in the network.
Was it? Did you really NEED a 9600 Bps modem or was - with "free" local calls -
a 2400 Bps modem good enough for the next five years?
DC> IPv6 is *NOT* needed to use Fidonet.
Not yet anyway and maybe not for a long time to come.
DC> Can you see the difference there?
No. In Fidonet exploring new technology was never based on "need". At least not
for me. I explored new ways just because the opportunity was there.
DC> I'll ask you again - why would I need IPv6 if my current connections (IPv4)
DC> are working fine? Just answer *THAT*, without any deflecting/diverging.
What you /need/ can only be judged by you yourself. If you are not interested in
exploring IPv6, why do you respond at all? Why not simply hit the "next" key?
MvV>> It will happen and it will be in the foreseeable future. Simple
MvV>> math will tell you that there is not enough IPv4 to cover the
MvV>> needs of an expanding internet. With a bit of luck you and I
MvV>> will live to see it.
DC> Simple math also tells me that as (some) people move to using IPv6,
DC> that will free up IPv4 addresses that they no longer need. Therefore
DC> "replenishing" the pool of available addresses. Simple, no?
No. Because that is not how it works. People moving to IPv6 do not just release
there IPv4 address. When they can they will keep that because in most cases they
have a use for it to connect to systems that are still IPv4 only. Only when
"everyone" in the world has IPv6 will there be no need any more for IPv4. So for
some time to come IPv4 will remain active in paralell with IPv6.
DC> You would have a little more credibility in your fanatical claims as
DC> to why people should be using IPv6, if you would just *ONCE* answer
DC> the questions as to what benefit it actually provides to somebody.
DC> Oh, and also realize that it's got nothing to do with any "pioneer spirit".
Why would I do that? Over the years I have written well over a dozen Fidonews
articles about IPv6. If that wasn't enough to get you interested, why should I
spent any more time and energy to get you on board? As of today, the Fidonet
IPv6 club has 108 members. My educated guess is that it is between a quarter and
half of the active systems in Fidonet. If you are not interested in IPv6, so be
it. Fidonet will survive with you joining the IPv6 club.
Cheers, Michiel
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