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Subject: Re: FidoNews 40:01 [02/0 Date: Tue Jan 03 2023 03:31 pm
From: Dan Clough To: Gerrit Kuehn

-=> Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough <=-

 GK> 02 Jan 23 08:38, Dan Clough wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:

 DC> But.... what does that tunnel, or IPv6 in general, offer me that I
 DC> don't
 DC> already have?  I have excellent internet access without it.  It won't
 DC> give me any more speed or bandwidth.  So why do I need it?

 DC> I know.... eventually.... yeah.  But until then, assuming that ever
 DC> even
 DC> actually happens, it's not needed.

 GK> This is probably very dependent on where you live, and what your
 GK> IP-connections look like. And what you want your computers to be
 GK> able to do or connect to. Just a few words about this from this
 GK> neck of the wood: I have subscribed for FTTH lately. This is
 GK> something you definitely want if you live around here, because
 GK> the alternative is continuing to use DSL over the existing copper telephone
 GK> lines. It does 100MBit for me now and could probably do
 GK> 150MBit or so, but it's definitely not future-proof. It will
 GK> certainly take a few months (maybe even one or two years) until
 GK> FTTH materialises. Living in a rural area, there will be only one
 GK> company offering this due to the rather high investment involved
 GK> (digging fibres into the ground, making new connections to all
 GK> houses etc.). The company doing this here (funny enough, it's a
 GK> Dutch company) will only offer a so-called DS-lite stack to
 GK> private customers, basically meaning you get an IPv6 address and
 GK> automatic tunneling magic to reach any IPv4 address around the
 GK> world. You will also be able to offer services (like binkd) on
 GK> your IPv6 address, but without any further intervention this will
 GK> be unreachable for other people running just from an IPv4
 GK> address.

 GK> Most people probably won't care much, because they don't offer
 GK> any services from their homes. However, FTN nodes need exactly
 GK> this. So, depending on what other systems I want to connect to my
 GK> FTN system, I'll have to check in advance that they can access
 GK> IPv6 addresses, or I'll have to think about getting an extra
 GK> tunnel or portmapping tool running to provide IPv4 accessability.
 GK> It's a bit like in the old POTS days when you knew that some
 GK> people had a certain brand of modem (or a certain firmware
 GK> installed) that would be incompatible with other systems.

 GK> Does this all matter to you? Well, this totally depends on which
 GK> systems you want to connect to. The more systems out there only
 GK> offer IPv6, the smaller your world will become.

Very good points, some of which I hadn't thought much about.  Thanks for 
the info, and for a civilized reply, which is becoming a rarity here in 
this echo.

Just for the fanatics in the crowd, try to understand that I have 
nothing *AGAINST* IPv6, but am not rushing around to get it via some  half-assed
"tunnel" just because some of you think it's cool.  If/when 
my ISP offers that service, I'll take advantage of it.  Until then, I'm 
not gonna worry about it.



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