> It is a hypocrisy. The US and EU easily support separatism if
> separatists are against Russia or the countries who have good relations
> with it.
The US and EU are not involved with Ukraines internal issues and Russia should
not be either.
> Kosovo, Ethiopia are bright examples of this cynicism.
> Separatists from Eritrea in Ethiopia even had cut off the whole country
> from the sea -- a catastrophe for any country. But both Kosovo and
> Eritrean separatists are in the good list, nobody defended Ethiopia. But
> in reality Ukrainian forces had made the same cruel things as did Serbs
> nationalists. Yes, 14 thousand killed in Donbass is less than in
> Yugoslavia, but the scale of evens was smaller.
I don't have the gas to go to Ethiopia. :)
The west may not have put boots on the ground and I don't think Russia did
either but the west has supported African countries plenty.
> Ukraine nationalists could spare Russian population and leave the areas.
But that is Ukraine. Ukraine is in their own country, as one would expect.
> But they prefer to make weapons sites in their flats. Just because they
> despise their lives. When they forced to leave a particular town they
> destroy all the electricity and water supply for the town.
It is the separatists who do this.
> Comparing it with Yugoslavia I can say Russia has even more reason to
> intervene in the situation in Ukraine than NATO in Yugoslavia.
Russia has no business in Ukraine.
> Just because the events are going next and Russian people are under attack.
> 8 years is surely enough for finding a peaceful solution.
Those are Ukrainian people.
> There will not be reason for the Russian military to stay in Ukraine if
> its population meet it with hostility.
What did you expect your invasion force to meet with? Flowers?
> We know well the reaction of Ukrainian nationalists towards Russia, but the
> reaction of common people in eastern Ukraine is still be clarified. Until
> now they risked their lives when say positive about Russia and the Russian
> language. We will see what they say without threats or pressure.
Russian speakers in Ukraine didn't like being used as the reason for invasion.
> You can guess that such a massive strike on such a huge building can't
> have only one suffering girl. Its easy.
Of course.
>> There is no justice in this war, none.
> You cannot judge about it -- if your domestic propaganda has shut up the
> opposite point of view such a propaganda lies. They have now suppressed
> all Russian media as in old times the USSR jammed the Voice of America.
> Funny shame. ;-)
Russian media has not been suppressed here. Well, some propaganda sites like RT
were but I can still read the writing/thoughts/video's from Russia and it is
plentyful.
I realize it may not be easy for you to reach beyond the propaganda in Russia.
> In Russia it works, for most people.
I agree the propaganda machine in Russia works well. I don't think that is a
good thing.
> I don't say that it tell the complete truth -- you should understand me
> correctly, and western media are also jammed in Russia.
Yes.
> I am against any media suppression. People should know all points of view.
> Both sides tell some lie and both sides tell some truth. For instance, I am
> sure that the western media have said nothing about the shelling of
> long-suffering Donetsk, the day before yesterday, with a big Ukrainian
> tactical missile. Just in case -- there were 23 killed, children including.
I know that Russia has many different types of missiles, some smaller, some
larger, and some even larger and more devastating.
I am not sure that Ukraine has much in the way of "big tactical" missiles.
I don't think Ukraine is firing any missiles at Donetsk, not today in the
middle of this Russian invasion. The Ukraine military has other priorities.
> It is because of propaganda -- in Russia now there are more than 2
> millions of refugees from Ukraine, including more than 200 thousand from
> the last events.
No, it's because the refugees are headed in another direction for the most
part. I did see a small number of refugees heading to Russia from the Donbass
region before the invasion.
>> I just read an article in the washigton post from 2019 that 20% of
>> the population in Russia want to leave with Germany and the USA
>> being the places to go. I wonder what the situation is in 2022?
> ;-) The poll was in a Navalny headquarter or in the Russia province?
No, Navalny was not involved. It seems many have left Russia since the war
started but I have no guess on what the numbers are.
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