Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 14.03.2022 12:23
AI> I have already expressed to you that the problem in the Donbass
AI> region is separatists. Russian backed (armed) separatists. The
AI> issue is not ultra nationalists. Well maybe it is, Russian ultra
AI> nationalists in Ukraine.
It is a hypocrisy. The US and EU easily support separatism if
separatists are against Russia or the countries who have good relations
with it. Kosovo, Ethiopia are bright examples of this cynicism.
Separatists from Eritrea in Ethiopia even had cut off the whole country
from the sea -- a catastrophe for any country. But both Kosovo and
Eritrean separatists are in the good list, nobody defended Ethiopia. But
in reality Ukrainian forces had made the same cruel things as did Serbs
nationalists. Yes, 14 thousand killed in Donbass is less than in
Yugoslavia, but the scale of evens was smaller.
AI> Yes, there is daily shelling in the Donbass region and everywhere
AI> in Ukraine today by the Russian military. Russian bombing/shelling
AI> is killing many in Ukraine, Russian and Ukrainian speakers alike.
Ukraine nationalists could spare Russian population and leave the areas.
But they prefer to make weapons sites in their flats. Just because they despise
their lives. When they forced to leave a particular town they
destroy all the electricity and water supply for the town.
AI> Whatever the issues and solutions are in the Donbass region it is a
AI> Ukrainian problem. The Russian Federation need not amass ~200,000
AI> troops on the Ukraine border and invade that peaceful sovereign
AI> nation with it's military.
Comparing it with Yugoslavia I can say Russia has even more reason to intervene
in the situation in Ukraine than NATO in Yugoslavia. Just
because the events are going next and Russian people are under attack. 8
years is surely enough for finding a peaceful solution.
ak>> Most country officials submit to new power under the threat of
ak>> physical reprisal.
AI> The Russian military did not come to Ukraine for a friendly visit.
AI> They went there to bark orders and expected the population to
AI> comply and offer flowers.
There will not be reason for the Russian military to stay in Ukraine if
its population meet it with hostility. We know well the reaction of
Ukrainian nationalists towards Russia, but the reaction of common people
in eastern Ukraine is still be clarified. Until now they risked their
lives when say positive about Russia and the Russian language. We will
see what they say without threats or pressure.
AI> Of course that didn't happen. Did you or the leaders of your
AI> country really expect it would happen? Of course not.
ak>> Photos were done in completely other medical center and this girl
ak>> participated before in many other provocative photos also.
AI> Really!? You are going to have to come up with something better
AI> than "participated before in many other provocative photos also" if
AI> you want me to believe anything you have to say.
You can guess that such a massive strike on such a huge building can't
have only one suffering girl. Its easy.
ak>> Don't forget, that the main slogan of Russia's invasion is justice
ak>> and stopping the war in Donbass.
AI> There is no justice in this war, none.
You cannot judge about it -- if your domestic propaganda has shut up the
opposite point of view such a propaganda lies. They have now suppressed
all Russian media as in old times the USSR jammed the Voice of America.
Funny shame. ;-)
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ak>> I repeat -- the Russian stance is not a complete lie. And
ak>> Ukrainian nationalists are not sinless angels.
AI> Nationalism can be problematical. I will give you that.
ak>> That why Putin propaganda works well.
AI> It does? Define works well.
In Russia it works, for most people. I don't say that it tell the
complete truth -- you should understand me correctly, and western media
are also jammed in Russia. I am against any media suppression. People
should know all points of view. Both sides tell some lie and both sides
tell some truth. For instance, I am sure that the western media have
said nothing about the shelling of long-suffering Donetsk, the day
before yesterday, with a big Ukrainian tactical missile. Just in case --
there were 23 killed, children including.
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AI> I don't see any refugee's heading to Russia. By and large they are
AI> leaving through Poland and onwards. Very few if any are heading
AI> toward Russia.
It is because of propaganda -- in Russia now there are more than 2
millions of refugees from Ukraine, including more than 200 thousand from
the last events.
AI> I just read an article in the washigton post from 2019 that 20% of
AI> the population in Russia want to leave with Germany and the USA
AI> being the places to go. I wonder what the situation is in 2022?
;-) The poll was in a Navalny headquarter or in the Russia province?
Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
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