Hey Arelor!
On Sun, Feb 16 2025 01:02:04 -0600, you wrote:
> Debian has been operating as a political institution since more or
> less the systemd migration. But then I think the systemd migration
> itself was very badly handled. I remember meeting some people from
> the Debian ecosystem back in the day and celebrating they had kicked
> those "fuckers" when some developers and packagers left over it.
> You'd think they were happy they were losing manpower.
Huh. I had no idea any of that was going on. However, I do remember Debian being
one of the first to switch to systemd fully, just didn't know it became a
political thing (I guess the better question is, what _doesn't_ become political
these days?). Thanks for the explanation!
As an Arch user, the devs migrated systemd in pretty seamlessly. I don't really
check in on what they discuss, though, so I have no idea if there was any
infighting at the upper end of the food chain.
While I had to learn something new, it was fairly easy. I honestly don't have
any issues with it (systemd) whatsoever.
> Add to this that Linux distributions in general are starting to suck
> because they are starting to windowsize. Debian is not an exception.
There's the few that have always been 'windowsized', but most have kept a pretty
basic install (netboot, non-gui, whatever you want to call it). They leave it up
to the user to add all the frill they want to it, and most users want the frill.
You can argue that till your face turns blue, but that's honestly the only
reason Linux has gained (albeit not very much) the traction it has over the
years. Otherwise, people would still *only* be using Linux as servers, to this
day.
> I am not a Devuan fan, exactly, but I can use it as a drop-in
> replacement for most tasks I would have used Debian in the past and
> its default configuration comes with a bit less overhead. And with no
> systemd.
Some people don't like change, and I get it. I personally don't have any issues
with systemd, nor do I feel the need I should be telling you or others that you
should use it or not (that's the beauty of the Linux 'choice' mantra). I
definitely hope some distros keep sysvinit for those who want to continue using
it, otherwise there's always the choice of building your own distro, in which
you can do whatever you want with it.
Regards,
Nick
... He who laughs last, thinks slowest.
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