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Subject: the nothing to hide argument Date: Sun Nov 28 2021 09:38 pm
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I was recently steered to this a YT video (which I haven't  
watched yet, 'cuz my mobile data is running low, but I will  
watch at a later time):

 https://youtu.be/KMtrY6lbjcY

 ..but I did start to read some of the comments about it.  In  
the collection were some interesting remarks about the "have  
nothing to hide" argument..

Viking 355th
1 month ago
When people tell me they have nothing to hide, I tell them to take their clothes
 off. Suddenly they start to understand the value of privacy.

Tim K
1 month ago
You got it Peter. You may not have "something to hide" but someone else has "som
ething to prove" and will manipulate your data to show whatever suits their agen
da.

Sumi
3 weeks ago
The important phrase is "It's not that I have something to hide, it's that someo
ne else most certainly has something to find".

Joshua Daniel Nichols - Composer
2 weeks ago
I always like to bring up (I think Snowden said it first) the quote: "Not caring
 about right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don'
t care about free speech because you have nothing to say." This matters for EVER
YONE.

Johningham
1 month ago
"Dad, would the government ever implement a program to constantly monitor people
 in the homes?" "Now Son, where would they get the resources to do that?" My son
 laughed, I laughed, Alexa laughed.

Jolly RogARRR
1 month ago
Siri laughed, Bixby snorted??

Oli K
1 month ago
turns out the dystopian novels were right- what they didn't know is that we woul
d do it willingly.. mostly for fake internet points

GrandeTaco
1 month ago
I was like this. I thought, the alexa is only listening for key words, it would 
take too much bandwidth to send everything we are saying in the house. Then Amaz
on employees stated that they can listen to everything being said inside the hou
se.

Pyroverbs205
2 days ago
"He that is void of wisdom despiseth his neighbour: but a man of understanding h
oldeth his peace. A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful s
pirit concealeth the matter." -Proverbs 11:12-13

Ronald Hodgson
1 month ago
It's a sad day when someone feels like they have to convince people they should 
respect their privacy.

Muzik Bike
1 month ago
Let's not forget the fact that privacy isn't seen as a given or as a basic right
 or expectation, it's seen as something trendy and marketable. Remember the Free
dom Phone?

NeonJohn
1 month ago
 @TitanTubs  Fully agree. Everyone concerned with privacy and freedoms in this c
ountry should obtain a copy of "American Marxim" by Mark Levin. He's probably on
e of the greatest philosophers and historians alive today.

sashazxtt
1 month ago
The moment the technology works, it will be outlawed.

Robert Schel
4 weeks ago (edited)
Coincidentally this is what I'm working on right now for my graduation. I found 
the way they handle this privacy thing for the citizens in Estonia really intere
sting. They call it e-estonia - basically, the entire country runs on blockchain
. This way everybody is the owner of their own data, protected with a key and th
ey can choose who they give access to their data and for how long etc. This way 
bureaucratic governmental institutions are mostly obsolete and it's pretty much 
impossible for your data to leak. I think there must be some way possible to mak
e this happen for social media too. I may be biased but I honestly believe block
chain is the way to go concerning privacy. I hope it works out Destin, I'm rooti
ng for you!

Ben Barker music
4 weeks ago
Imagine when we are more integrated with tech and then having access to absolute
ly everything... Neurolink and other similar technologies will have access to ev
erything internally and externally.... Privacy will be so important ....

Lukasz Kucharski
1 month ago
 @philohan95  The problem isn't how it negatively affects people right now, but 
how it might affect people. Try this - leave your home unlocked at all the times
 fora week or month and see what negative consequences does that bring. There wi
ll probably be none, will you remove lock from your front door on this basis? Ju
st because it's inconceivable for you to live in a police state doesn't mean it 
can't happen. Just because you don't have interesting data at the moment, doesn'
t mean it's wise to strip everyone around from privacy. Many people do have inte
resting data.

Brandon James
1 month ago
"I have nothing to hide" is just a failure of imagination.

Logan Spargo
1 month ago (edited)
Even if you truly "have nothing to hide" you dont break a single law ever at any
 time (which is impossible). what happens when that thing you weren't hiding sud
denly becomes illegal. It has happened countless times through history and will 
surely happen again and because you said you had nothing to hide, You let the go
vernment create this huge mass surveillance apparatus that will ultimately be yo
ur demise.

Objects in Motion
1 month ago
The laws ought to be written to fit to what people do, not the other way around.
 If everybody is doing something illegal, then the solution is not to have priva
cy be our defense against the government, but to change the laws to fit society.
 You either have nothing to hide, are doing something that ought not be hidden, 
or are actually commiting a crime. Privacy is not needed. People really do eithe
r have nothing to hide, or do.

THUNDERBOLT
1 month ago
I have nothing to hide because they stripped me naked of my freedom and took my 
clothes

ZneeZ1
1 month ago
Example: There are a lot of negotiations going on throughout our life and the su
ccess of those are partly dependent on how well you can hide your "thresholds". 
If a potential employer knows your lowest limit of salary (and/or benefits etc),
 that is what you end up with. You always have things to hide from others. This 
is true for almost all kind of relations, even on "private" level, between paren
ts and kids, between the parties in a couple, etc.

_Ole_CornPop_
4 weeks ago
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safet
y, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~ Thomas Jefferson.

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