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Subject: Lazy man's OS Cabinet Date: Mon Feb 27 2017 08:45 am
From: Barry Martin To: Ky Moffet

Hi Ky!

 >   KM> Nope, it's the Hackintosh installer, it's known to be at best
 >   KM> cranky. Might be a fail in its SATA driver. Will have to try it
 >   KM> with IDE.
 > Possibility is an SATA issue: seem to remember a compatability issue at
 > times.
 KM> Standards, so many to choose from...

Not to mention interchangeable parts won't!


 >     https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=Hachintosh+S
 >     ATA&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
 > Top hit (or at least when I got it) might be an answer:
 >    
ttps://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/hackintosh-not-detecting-sata-hds.7084
 KM> Leave it to Apple to be 10 years behind PC hardware. It doesn't
 KM> support AMD CPUs either, tho I guess there's now a driver hack
 KM> for that. Naturally I don't have IDE and Intel in the same spare
 KM> box, and installing it in a VM sounds like Work. For one thing,
 KM> first I'd have to install and figure out using a VM. :)

Actually the Virtual Machine, or at least the two for Linux I used,
isn't that much of a problem.  (And the reason for the two is the VM
suggested and supported by Linux does only USB 1; the one from Oracle
does USB 2 and 3, so I switched to that option.)  For my use the only
issue I had was at first using the default allocation of RAM (512 MB)
which caused a sluggishness in the BBS editor, sometimes severe at time,
almost to the point I thought things had locked up.  One click to
allocate 768 MB seems to have solved 99% of the problem: occasionally
see a slight hesitation.

Now for what VM you need for your side.....



 KM> You wouldn't believe how many error messages go by up to the
 KM> point where the Mac installer finally spits up a GUI. Literally
 KM> hundreds, mostly referencing internal hacks. Never let it be said
 KM> Apple fixed a bug if they could paste over it instead!

I'm surprised they haven't renamed to "insect": sounds nicer than 'bug'!



 >   KM> Finally got ReactOS v0.4.4 to run!! tho had to install from a CD.
 > Must have been and IDE CD. <gg>  Hope you weren't doing something like
 > I've tried to do: install a 64-bit OS on a 32-bit system!!
 KM> Ooops :)

<chuckle>  The Linux installer stops and puts up a error within a 
minute.  The problem is more me know knowing whether the hardware can 
use a 64-bit OS; I've picked up some equipment with a 32-bit Windows
installed and the hardware is 64-bit.



 >   KM> Right now I have it set up as a dual boot with WinXP. ROS didn't
 >   KM> like any of my SATA controllers, but was good with a system with
 >   KM> an IDE port (that dying but still not needless breed). Not even
 >   KM> all that old (2009ish).
 > Probably has nothing to do with anything but Ubuntu 16.04 (and maybe
 > 14.x) have issues with dual-booting with Windows XP.
 KM> I stopped even looking at Ubuntu years ago, and will never again
 KM> do a Win/*NIX dual boot, so no idea. However, I vaguely recall
 KM> that you need to install Windows first, then linux, so GRUB can
 KM> grab everything.

In this one instance the original OS on the laptop was a Lenovo- (IBM) installed
Windows XP, so your suggested preferred sequence was XP then 
Ubuntu.  Only reason I sort of wanted to keep Window was because it was 
on a portable machine and so the availability of a Windows OS (albeit 
old) could be useful.  Might go the VM path  (Ubuntu with a Virtual 
Machine of Windows).

I'll probably stick with Ubuntu: went that fork as the TV recording 
equipment is Mythbuntu: MythTV on a pared-down Ubuntu OS.  (The OS can 
be upgraded to the full-blown version; a few of the Mythbuntu Frontends 
can be used both ways.)


 KM> ReactOS is geared toward being compatible with Windows (right now
 KM> the goal is to be byte-compatible with Win2003), and runs on
 KM> FAT32, so was treated as a DOS partition. Tho XP's boot loader
 KM> calls it "Unidentified Operating System on Partition C" :)

Good thing wasn't limited to the 8.3 convention!! You'd have a
"UOSonPtC"!



 >   KM> Had to boot ROS once in "DebugFile" mode to clear some flag that
 >   KM> got set wrong and made it boot slow after XP was installed, but
 >   KM> since then it's been perfectly good.
 > Good -- maybe the boot from the SERVICE partition flag?  (Thinking the Ubuntu
 > issue again.)
 KM> No idea, but good a guess as any.

Figured I'd suggest something potentialy valid and see if it makes sense
for your side.



 >   KM> Anyway, lots of stuff still doesn't work, and the file manager
 >   KM> has Issues (actually I think it's a bug in the FAT) but what does
 >   KM> work looks and behaves enough like XP that there's no difficulty
 >   KM> switching between 'em.
 > The bugs are starting to seem vary much like the ones I experienced on
 > my laptop with XP/Ubuntu!
 KM> Well, installing Ubuntu was your first mistake. Next time try
 KM> PCLinuxOS. :)

<whimper!>  ...Looking/scanning some onf the Google hits on PCLinuxOS --
may be a worthwhile consideratin for my old laptop.  Knew one of the 
potential problems was going to be it's memory limitations: IIRC max of 
4 GB, has 3 installed.  PCLinuxOS has a minumum recommended 1 GB, so 
maybe...  



 >   KM> And on the XP side, I'm being treated to the unlikely spectacle
 >   KM> of fullblown XP Pro SP3 using only 71mb of RAM and reaching the
 >   KM> desktop in 9 seconds flat. <scratching head>
 > Wow!!  I haven't timed my Virtual XP boot time on this Ubuntu desktop
 > system but it seems to be longer and wanted about 10x that amt of RAM to work
 > decently.
 KM> This is on real hardware, not a VM. And a rather old HD so not
 KM> getting any boost there. For comparison, ReactOS boots in 12
 KM> seconds and uses around 100mb RAM. Normal XP that isn't from
 KM> another planet does at best 30 seconds and ~350mb RAM. I have no
 KM> idea why this one is being so economical; it looks like it's
 KM> running all the normal stuff, and I've installed this exact
 KM> version before without such miracles. No 3rd party drivers
 KM> installed and no networking as yet, but even so it shouldn't make
 KM> that much difference... even my TinyXP install uses more RAM!

I think you have a decimal point playing tricks on you! <gg>  (Semi- referencing
an old joke about an accountant miscalculating because he
thought a particle from an eraser was a decimal point,)



 KM> XP64, on somewhat faster hardware, takes about 90 seconds to boot
 KM> and uses around <looking> 400mb RAM (tho it has all its drivers
 KM> and networking, and has presently been up for about six weeks).
 
OK - I don't feel so bad waiting. :)   ...BTW, speaking of boot speeds, 
I recently installed a 'new' printer server.  (For anyone else reading 
this it is device which 'translates' a network address for use by the 
USB printer, so instead of relying on a specific computer the USB 
printer is independant.)

Old printer server which I got years ago, was frequently horrendously 
slow: sometimes several minutes before the printer turned on.  (The 
problem was under XP and then Ubuntu.)  Also would constantly drop out,
requiring a power boot (of the server).  The new server has not 
experienced a drop out, plus the printer wakes up within a few seconds  (longest
I've counted was 14).


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