Hi Ky!
> KM> <g> Well do I remember the TV Zorro... Xorro is a Xeon. Now if they'd
> KM> named the CPU Zeon instead.....
> People would still mispronounce it!
KM> <choking noise>-on...
<chuckle> Thinking the German 'achtung'!
> KM> I am long cured of dual booting, especially outside one's
> KM> species.
> I have one laptop here which dual boots and that's mainly because it
> came with Windows-something and so I thought I'd try to keep it when
> installing Linux just to have another system which has Windows --
> occasionally I do need. I don't know if it rewrites the boot sector or
> not.
KM> Might be GRUB put itself somewhere else, too, having learned the
KM> perils of sharing with Windows. <g>
Could be. Half-recalling something about who was there first: if
Windows was there originally one thing happened but if Linux was there
first something else happened.
The Windows first rule didn't always work, though I am talking of
limited experiences over several years (so various version of Windows
and Ubuntu). Some refurbished computers here came with a Windows and it
got wiped out even though I tried to have it dual boot.
> KM> But even then
> KM> it's a nuisance, and a risk every time you switch OSs. (Also
> KM> Windows no longer respects being told to stick to a given drive
> KM> letter, but instead wishes to always be C:, which changes
> KM> everyone else's drive letters every time one switches OSs.)
> That can get very confusing to the human user, even more so for any
> batch files.
KM> Yeah, especially when three partitions and three boot menu items
KM> have have named themselves "WINDOWS". Took several boots to
KM> untangle which was which. I knew the middle one was Server, but
KM> you couldn't tell by looking!
_Which_ Windows?! Sort of reminds me of when I installed the snap
version of VLC Media player (default one didn't play some file but the
snap version did). Both default and snap had the little orange cone
icon, same label -- which one was which?
KM> [Mint-GRUB-seppuku]
> Glad I don't have that problem here! Wonder if you hae a quirky video
KM> Shouldna been...
Wishes, spit... <g>
> card? No idea what the connection would be, but if just looking at the video
> configuration screen does it -- 'looking at the screen' triggers a "what card
> and monitor am I?" No idea on the connection to GRUB.
KM> Exactly. I could see it blowing off the video driver. But it had
KM> zero business going anywhere near GRUB. Mighta been something in
KM> the configuration manager that expected an OK at that point
KM> instead of a CANCEL, and left something open/unwritten... still
KM> had no business...
Possible incomplete/incorrect programming.
> KM> I dunno... none of mine has attempted it. Then again, I tend to
> KM> make updating manual or turn it off entirely.
> Turning off is probably the trick. Until Microsoft decides to bypass.
KM> Imagine the fun once the next version comes out... they've said
KM> Win10 will be the last version of Windows. Implying that 20 years
KM> after they first broached the idea (it's been around since the
KM> Win2K launch, and I saw this with my own eyes), they'll FINALLY
KM> get Windows to be a cloud service, not a local OS. Meaning
KM> everyone is locked into subscription mode, not only for the OS
KM> but perhaps also for data storage. Same thing Adobe and Autodesk
KM> have already done.
Half-thought: OK, so my computer works fine when I am able to connect to
the web, like normal. So what happens when I'm not able to connect.
like during a power failure, or the WiFi is encoded or the WiFi is
broken? (I have a HP notebook and its internal option is intermittant
at best.)
KM> Anyway, once that's a done deal, there'll be ZERO control over
KM> updates. You'll get the OS the cloud sends you, and like it.
I tend to start bristling at that! Might be just my "New Hampshire 'Live
Free or Die' attitude", but some things you just don't tell me to do
without a darn good explanation I agree to. (I was raised in NH and
move to IA.)
> Wonderful. :( Did a bit of Google-fu with: 'windows 7 lenovo download iso'.
> Nothing all that new so probably the same as what you discovered
> (but just in case!) This one has a list that looks interesting:
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_
> install/i-do-not-have-windows-7-media-but-i-do-have-my/5ce13741-
> ac25-4969-ae82-2494726aac1c
KM> That's just links to the DigitalRiver downloads, which are no
KM> more. There's a tool for downloading ISOs straight from
KM> Microsoft, but you need a NON-OEM serial number for it to work
KM> (IOW you need a retail box version of Windows). So the tag on a
KM> Lenovo or Dell or HP (which I have in abundance) is no good for
KM> that. There are a couple unofficial MSDN archives which can
KM> provide the official ISOs with less trouble. But none of those is
KM> the desired OEM-specific ISO, tho I've found a couple other OEM
KM> images floating around.
OK -- I probably should have checked further -- it's the thought that
counts?!
> KM> To be fair, the pile of i5/i7 laptops someone gift me are equally
> KM> cranky about older Windows... Black will install but won't stay
> KM> activated. Win10 thinks it's activated (no one did so) on some of
> KM> 'em and not on others, which I take to be a flaw in its hardware
> KM> hash mechanism. (They all came with it. Will only stay on the
> KM> more agreeable specimens... two already have PCLOS instead. They
> KM> need more RAM to be really useful, most having only 4GB. And
> KM> right now RAM prices are pretty durn high.)
> Winter project: I'll have to go through to see what I have - not just
> RAM but some old daughterboards. ...Probably not that much of interest
> in the RAM Dep't: recalling a bunch of small capacity units.
KM> I dunno, I can't see as far as your parts box. <g>
It's blocking the view of your camera?! ...For some reason reminds me
of one of the LP guys at the store (how we got into this discussion I
have no idea!): he was talking to his girlfriend (video chat) late one
night, apparently forgot to hang up when he put his phone down to go to
bed. Discovered it was still on in the morning -- after he had changed
'in full view'. She wasn't on/awake at the time but he was a little embarrassed
at the possibility. LIS, how that discussions started....
> KM> This one is my first. It needs the Storport patch from Microsoft,
> KM> and an OS-specific driver. Which worked fine on XP64, and not at
> KM> all on Win7. Holy crap, I've never seen Windows do an autorevert
> KM> like THAT before... cycled through a bunch of angry screens and
> KM> finally did a full system restore... it was VERY unhappy... Well,
> KM> we won't try THAT again!!
> So it's true: computers _do_ get mad!
KM> Or at least Windows does!! Never have I seen so many error
KM> screens without anything locking up. One could regard its full
KM> recovery as miraculous. <g>
I guess!! You must live right!
> KM> ...tho Win7 also has trouble hanging onto the vidcard driver on
> KM> that box (XP has no such problem, and neither does Win10). About
> KM> half the time when Win7 wakes up from Sleep (or hibernation,
> KM> haven't checked which it's doing), it has the resolution set down
> KM> a notch, and you have to tell it "Detect Screen" to make it
> KM> reset. I have a suspicion the mainboard, or at least the chipset,
> KM> is just a fraction too new for Win7, tho that doesn't explain why
> KM> XP64 likes it just fine. And why Win7 runs perfectly on the other
> KM> i7 of about the same age. (Different chipset, not as fancy. But
> KM> same era.)
> Out of curiosity have you tried manually setting the resolution for something
> slightly smaller than the real resolution? Thinking should be 1920x1080, try
> setting at 1900x1060. Was able to do that with a nVidia driver add-on some
> time back.
KM> I don't think I can set it manually, but being even a few pixels
KM> off correct aspect ratio would drive my eyes to drink. Weirdly,
KM> the setting it picks is in correct ratio. (16xx by 9xx. But not
KM> an even number.)
I was initially thinking "16:9" so the "16xx:9xx" wasn't making sense.
Your pixel numbers are 16-hundred-something by nine hundred something.
<Checking> 1600x900 is a 16:9 ratio ("High Definition Plus / HD+") --
might be a little more (or less) to accomodate for over- or
underscanning.
> KM> Speaking of hibernation -- on XP it does not work if you have
> KM> more than 4GB RAM and it's using PAE. You can still Sleep, but
> KM> not Hibernate.
> Have read where there are problems with Hibernation.
KM> None of mine have any trouble with it. But it's been an issue
KM> with older laptops in particular. Does need proper hardware
KM> support. Shouldn't be a problem with anything from about a
KM> quad-core or later, tho.
My Lenovo laptop is 'only' dual core.
> > Reminds be of the headaches I had with the install of Ubuntu 18.04 on
> > this system because of a faulty memory module! And didn't help this was
> > my first time trying to use UEFI so didn't know also needed a 'special'
> > partition.
> KM> Ouch. Yeah, one of those things we learn by deleting it. <g>
> "This looks empty and I need the space." <delete> Oops!
KM> The empty space, it not workee!
But look at all that space I'll have when it does work again!!
> KM> ExplainingComputers lately demo'd building a NAS from a Pi, which
> KM> was quite interesting. I forget which of the several options he
> KM> used as the OS, but it wasn't real difficult. Or at least he
> KM> explains well!! <g>
> I'll have to sit down and see what's out there. Basics isn't that difficult;
> those little "we do this!" special stuff is sometimes of interest. Using a
> Pi has some interest: it's physically small and
> doesn't use much power; power and enclosure for the hard drives could be
> a small problem. Repurposing an old computer mostly solves that
> (depends on the number and type of hard drive); could die of old age and have
> nothing.
KM> I have the HDs to do it, and now system with SAS support, and a
KM> 4-holer hotswap bay... so all the body parts are present, if
KM> scattered around the room. <g> Whether I'll ever do anything
KM> more complicated than "let Windows do it" remains to be seen.
Yes, I've semi-sorta collected the hardware as sales and interest
strikes me. Also considering using some old/small hard drives -- one
considering is JBOD-ing them together, another is keeping individual but
sort of like partitions on a big capacity drive ==> small backup would
go to a small hard drive.
> ..Hmm: the RPi option is sounding interesting: I have 5v/12v power
> supplies and a hard drive rack.......
KM> Well, there ya go!
Wonder if I'll need that sequential start-up switch with all the hard
drives?!
> Yes and no. I haven't set up all of my computers with VNC because I
> don't need to. Right now four are configured and as I recall the
> initial configuration was rather easy -- couple of minutes at most.
> (OK, so with forty computers that's a few hours.) After it's set up it
> is a simple click.
KM> I dunno VNC... but now I know who to ask. <g>
Wikipedia?!
> > KM> And how was YOUR day? :D
> > Apparently better than yours!
> KM> You shoulda seen my day when I thought the damn thing had bricked
> KM> itself... was just about to No More Lenovos Ever.
> Yet I've had pretty good luck with them. OTOH, I don't dig at 'em like
> you do!
KM> Dig up from the grave as the case was with this one... was
KM> supposedly dead. Not dead, just slow boot like a server. Happy
KM> birthday to me. <g>
It is rather fun when something that doesn't work can be fixed easily!
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