BARRY MARTIN wrote:
> Hi Ky!
> KM> <g> Well do I remember the TV Zorro... Xorro is a Xeon. Now if they'd
> KM> named the CPU Zeon instead.....
> People would still mispronounce it!
<choking noise>-on...
> KM> I am long cured of dual booting, especially outside one's
> KM> species.
>
> I have one laptop here which dual boots and that's mainly because it
> came with Windows-something and so I thought I'd try to keep it when
> installing Linux just to have another system which has Windows -- occasionally
> I do need. I don't know if it rewrites the boot sector or
> not.
Might be GRUB put itself somewhere else, too, having learned the perils
of sharing with Windows. <g>
> KM> there's nothing so permanent as a temporary camp.
> Yuuup: temporary stays, permanent goes!
Ain't that the truth!!
> KM> But even then
> KM> it's a nuisance, and a risk every time you switch OSs. (Also
> KM> Windows no longer respects being told to stick to a given drive
> KM> letter, but instead wishes to always be C:, which changes
> KM> everyone else's drive letters every time one switches OSs.)
>
> That can get very confusing to the human user, even more so for any
> batch files.
Yeah, especially when three partitions and three boot menu items have
have named themselves "WINDOWS". Took several boots to untangle which
was which. I knew the middle one was Server, but you couldn't tell by
looking!
[Mint-GRUB-seppuku]
> Glad I don't have that problem here! Wonder if you hae a quirky video
Shouldna been...
> card? No idea what the connection would be, but if just looking at the
> video configuration screen does it -- 'looking at the screen' triggers a "what
> card and monitor am I?" No idea on the connection to GRUB.
Exactly. I could see it blowing off the video driver. But it had zero
business going anywhere near GRUB. Mighta been something in the
configuration manager that expected an OK at that point instead of a
CANCEL, and left something open/unwritten... still had no business...
> KM> I dunno... none of mine has attempted it. Then again, I tend to
> KM> make updating manual or turn it off entirely.
> Turning off is probably the trick. Until Microsoft decides to bypass.
Imagine the fun once the next version comes out... they've said Win10
will be the last version of Windows. Implying that 20 years after they
first broached the idea (it's been around since the Win2K launch, and I
saw this with my own eyes), they'll FINALLY get Windows to be a cloud
service, not a local OS. Meaning everyone is locked into subscription
mode, not only for the OS but perhaps also for data storage. Same thing
Adobe and Autodesk have already done.
Anyway, once that's a done deal, there'll be ZERO control over updates.
You'll get the OS the cloud sends you, and like it.
> KM> BTW first thing XP64 on Silver did is download 1.2GB of updates!!
> KM> and I was like, WTF. Didn't we get told that ended years ago?
> KM> Win7 still gets updates too, mostly for Windows Defender but
> KM> occasionally other stuff.
> Maybe they thought Silver was a corporate/business installation -- that
> might still be viable,
XP64 was never really a consumer OS, yeah... it's the workstation
version of Server2003.
> Wonderful. :( Did a bit of Google-fu with: 'windows 7 lenovo download
> iso'. Nothing all that new so probably the same as what you discovered
> (but just in case!) This one has a list that looks interesting:
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_
> install/i-do-not-have-windows-7-media-but-i-do-have-my/5ce13741-
> ac25-4969-ae82-2494726aac1c
That's just links to the DigitalRiver downloads, which are no more.
There's a tool for downloading ISOs straight from Microsoft, but you
need a NON-OEM serial number for it to work (IOW you need a retail box
version of Windows). So the tag on a Lenovo or Dell or HP (which I have
in abundance) is no good for that. There are a couple unofficial MSDN
archives which can provide the official ISOs with less trouble. But none
of those is the desired OEM-specific ISO, tho I've found a couple other
OEM images floating around.
> KM> To be fair, the pile of i5/i7 laptops someone gift me are equally
> KM> cranky about older Windows... Black will install but won't stay
> KM> activated. Win10 thinks it's activated (no one did so) on some of
> KM> 'em and not on others, which I take to be a flaw in its hardware
> KM> hash mechanism. (They all came with it. Will only stay on the
> KM> more agreeable specimens... two already have PCLOS instead. They
> KM> need more RAM to be really useful, most having only 4GB. And
> KM> right now RAM prices are pretty durn high.)
>
> Winter project: I'll have to go through to see what I have - not just
> RAM but some old daughterboards. ...Probably not that much of interest
> in the RAM Dep't: recalling a bunch of small capacity units.
I dunno, I can't see as far as your parts box. <g>
> KM> This one is my first. It needs the Storport patch from Microsoft,
> KM> and an OS-specific driver. Which worked fine on XP64, and not at
> KM> all on Win7. Holy crap, I've never seen Windows do an autorevert
> KM> like THAT before... cycled through a bunch of angry screens and
> KM> finally did a full system restore... it was VERY unhappy... Well,
> KM> we won't try THAT again!!
> So it's true: computers _do_ get mad!
Or at least Windows does!! Never have I seen so many error screens
without anything locking up. One could regard its full recovery as
miraculous. <g>
> KM> ...tho Win7 also has trouble hanging onto the vidcard driver on
> KM> that box (XP has no such problem, and neither does Win10). About
> KM> half the time when Win7 wakes up from Sleep (or hibernation,
> KM> haven't checked which it's doing), it has the resolution set down
> KM> a notch, and you have to tell it "Detect Screen" to make it
> KM> reset. I have a suspicion the mainboard, or at least the chipset,
> KM> is just a fraction too new for Win7, tho that doesn't explain why
> KM> XP64 likes it just fine. And why Win7 runs perfectly on the other
> KM> i7 of about the same age. (Different chipset, not as fancy. But
> KM> same era.)
>
> Out of curiosity have you tried manually setting the resolution for
> something slightly smaller than the real resolution? Thinking should be
> 1920x1080, try setting at 1900x1060. Was able to do that with a nVidia driver
> add-on some time back.
I don't think I can set it manually, but being even a few pixels off
correct aspect ratio would drive my eyes to drink. Weirdly, the setting
it picks is in correct ratio. (16xx by 9xx. But not an even number.)
> KM> Speaking of hibernation -- on XP it does not work if you have
> KM> more than 4GB RAM and it's using PAE. You can still Sleep, but
> KM> not Hibernate.
> Have read where there are problems with Hibernation.
None of mine have any trouble with it. But it's been an issue with older
laptops in particular. Does need proper hardware support. Shouldn't be a
problem with anything from about a quad-core or later, tho.
> > Reminds be of the headaches I had with the install of Ubuntu 18.04 on
> > this system because of a faulty memory module! And didn't help this was
> > my first time trying to use UEFI so didn't know also needed a 'special'
> > partition.
> KM> Ouch. Yeah, one of those things we learn by deleting it. <g>
>
> "This looks empty and I need the space." <delete> Oops!
The empty space, it not workee!
> KM> ExplainingComputers lately demo'd building a NAS from a Pi, which
> KM> was quite interesting. I forget which of the several options he
> KM> used as the OS, but it wasn't real difficult. Or at least he
> KM> explains well!! <g>
> I'll have to sit down and see what's out there. Basics isn't that
> difficult; those little "we do this!" special stuff is sometimes of
> interest. Using a Pi has some interest: it's physically small and
> doesn't use much power; power and enclosure for the hard drives could be
> a small problem. Repurposing an old computer mostly solves that
> (depends on the number and type of hard drive); could die of old age and
> have nothing.
I have the HDs to do it, and now system with SAS support, and a 4-holer hotswap
bay... so all the body parts are present, if scattered around
the room. <g> Whether I'll ever do anything more complicated than "let Windows
do it" remains to be seen.
> ..Hmm: the RPi option is sounding interesting: I have 5v/12v power
> supplies and a hard drive rack.......
Well, there ya go!
> > KM> Well, I guess I just swap their OSs. And get to use my preferred
> > KM> XP for everyday. <g>
> > When life gives you lemons....
> KM> ....find a lemon catapult and throw them back!!
> eBay or Etsy?!
Fruit section. <g>
> Yes and no. I haven't set up all of my computers with VNC because I
> don't need to. Right now four are configured and as I recall the
> initial configuration was rather easy -- couple of minutes at most.
> (OK, so with forty computers that's a few hours.) After it's set up it
> is a simple click.
I dunno VNC... but now I know who to ask. <g>
> > KM> Oh... and never ever not EVER change the "use optimized defaults"
> > "Optimized" seems to mean "best results with the original way we shipped
> > it".
> KM> Exactly!! and all that's left of the original is the
> KM> motherboard...
> And that comes without CPU, RAM, sometimes other parts!
Not when it shipped! <g>
> > KM> And how was YOUR day? :D
> > Apparently better than yours!
> KM> You shoulda seen my day when I thought the damn thing had bricked
> KM> itself... was just about to No More Lenovos Ever.
>
> Yet I've had pretty good luck with them. OTOH, I don't dig at 'em like
> you do!
Dig up from the grave as the case was with this one... was supposedly
dead. Not dead, just slow boot like a server. Happy birthday to me. <g>
> > .. To be, or not to be. *BOOM!* Not to be.
> KM> That's my day!
>
> Thought the tagline was appropriate!
So did I!
> .. Aborted effort.
> Close all that you have worked on.
> You ask too much.
I ask so little, considering how the work is spread among many PCs...
durn things get lazy...
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