Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Neofree to Dumas Walker on Mon Aug 12 2024 05:32 pm
> Countries like Spain are examples of socialism that is NOT the same. Yes
> back in the day Spain has done invasions, but not in recent history. We're
> not seei
> Spain suppo the Ukraine invasion now are we?
Warmongering is completely orthogonal to the economic system a country operates
on, unless the country is question is a super power with an economy built specif
ically on annexing new territories and taxing their population (Rome, and a coup
le of modern ones you may think about).
So called far-right in Spain is basically pro Ukrainian and nobody would dare co
nsider them Socialists. And then I think lots of old-school Socialists in Spain
would have the current administration by the Socialist Workers Spanish Party sho
t in the square for betraying Socialist principles anyway. This is the reason wh
y stuff such as the CNT has not dissolved and joined mainstream Socialist orgs.
In any case, it can be argued that any Socialist system that operates at a non-t
rivial scale becomes a Dictatorship because it is based on forcing people to joi
n. This is, a big scale Socialist regime that can't force people to join can't f
orce certain segments of the population to work more in order to cover the expen
ses of other segments of the population.
But I also dare say most people who wants a Socialist system would not last 5 da
ys living in a Socialist system. It takes a special kind of person who is aware
of the amenities of modern life to be assigned a square of land and a plow and b
e happy with no modern comforts. The fun part is the people and communities I kn
ow who fit that mold tend to be extremely conservative.
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