BARRY MARTIN wrote:
> Hi Ky!
> > Plus it's hard to get the bacon grease off the rest of the motherboard!
> KM> There is that. :)
> Almost sounds like you've experienced first-hand!
Got one all bloody when it sliced my leg, dang sharp spines on the
backside... four parallel cuts all the way through the skin.
> > <appreciative sniff> Hickory-smoked bacon today! :)
> KM> Wright's pecan-smoked bacon... yummy! But a little crunchy with
> KM> silicon seasoning.
> Ah! You have!! I like a slightly crisped bacon.
I hate cooking it, so I cut it into 1 inch lengths and throw it in a
bowl in the microwave. Doesn't get crisp but man does it get tender.
> Well, wasn't the design of the early computers that so the PSU fan would
> draw sufficient to keep the rest of the components cool?
Isn't theory wonderful??!
> And sort of on the 'holes in the computer case' topic, is the concept
> of a solid metal case for shielding to keep electronic noise out and
> away from the motherboard or the other way around, to keep electronic
> noise generated by the computer components from escaping?
Rather, to keep cosmic rays from corrupting memory. That's one thing I
dislike about Silver's case -- has big plexiglas windows. Well, it was
free and has a good drive bay setup, so hopefully there won't be any
major solar events. <g>
> (Sort of thinking of a microwave oven up there -- the holes in the
> window of the door are there so the human can see in but are of a
> diameter smaller than the microwave's wavelength so they don't escape
> and fry the human.)
<vision of microwaves like little worms trying to batter their way out>
> KM> Yeah, I needed to find another inch somewhere, or a low-profile
> KM> card. Maybe a hole in the side of the case....
> More ventilation!! :) Plus easier to get to the bacon!
You can never have too much bacon!
> <snortle!> I have sort of done that here. Not sure if blowing air
> across the case side is helping to keep the computer cool or the blowing
Oh, I've seen air blowing across the case be the difference between
running stable, and overheating to the point of locking up.
> KM> Haha... got a removable drive bay that has a temp display, meant
> KM> for the presently-absent HD (someone needs to scrape eBay for
> KM> some more 100G-ish SATA HDs) ... 68.1F. About 7 degrees below the
> KM> motherboard diode's report, but the bay is aluminum so acts as a
> KM> heatsink. Whole front of the case is cold to the touch. Dunno
> KM> where the heat is going but so long as it goes somewhere
> KM> else...!!
> I'd sort of compare that 68.1° to other local temperatures -- might be reading
> your room temperature.
It's about 62F in the room right now.
> The seven degree difference might be
> simply due to heat islands.
Rather, that it's not right up against the motherboard. I can stick my
whole hand in the hole in the side of the case (where there used to be a
fan), or in the front where the top drive bay is open, and it's not even
warm in there. The DVD drive is cold to the touch.
Conversely I still my hand inside Moonbase (via that top bay) and it's
warm in there.
I like to leave that top drive bay open to create a good path for rising
heat to escape. No use sucking hot air back across stuff if you don't
have to. With a hot-running box like Moonbase, it makes a fairly drastic
difference.
> ..And what was the name of that utility you suggested to display temperatures,
> fan speeds, etc.? I've got a note someplace -- mixed in
> with the other notes. Thought I had installed it, or maybe just got up
> to checking it out then had a But First issue.
Um, Conky ?? There are others, but that one I can remember.
> KM> You can get doohickeys you hook to the motherboard that do
> KM> various displays like that.
> Cooking probes to monitor internal temperatures and anemometers for the
> fan speed?!
Hahaha yeah, that's the way to do it!
> > > KM> (The Hitachi is a laptop HD used as an external.)
> > > Hopefully not a 2.5" HDD duct-taped to a 3.5" adapter!
> KM> Haha... well, could be if I could figure out how to make the
> KM> adapter fit... :)
> I told you: duct tape!! ...I once built a 'table' for the CPU fan to
Well, that's how Nippy's floppy drive was held in place... duct tape...
not kidding...
I like this gadget... https://www.amazon.com/iStarUSA-BPN-2535DE-SA-SATA-Hot-Swa
p-Drive/dp/B00G636JH8/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1513653360&sr=8-5&keywords=istarusa
+hot+swap+2-bay
I have four of 'em. Got two when NewEgg had 'em for $9 and soon wished I
had more. Found a couple more on eBay for cheap. They come in all sorts
of configurations, like four 2.5" bays in a single 5.25" drive bay. Or,
how to stuff a whole bunch of HDs into a single case. <g>
> KM> That would explain it!! I tried to sneak into their commercial
> KM> side but they wanted proof of a storefront. Well, it's been
> KM> years.. let's go look...
> Photoshop is your friend! <g>
Haha :D
> Thanks -- I'll have to check those later. Combination of trying not to
> get too side-tracked plus this computer got screwed up a little when I
> was trying to fix a problem with Deja Dup (the backup utility) whining
> it was out of room. Moved some files -- worked in the past - and now it locks
> up randomly. More likely when I'm doing certain things but AFAIK
Guessing it can only use contiguous disk space, so if the drive is
fragmented, it falls over.
> I only moved text files -- my 'information' stuff, not utilities. Trying
> to avoid building the new system until I get other projects completed.
> (So shelling from the BBS in Virtual XP to Firefox in Linux and
> wandering and making notes with LibreOffice could cause a problem. Or
> not.)
And here I thought we gave up that nonsense when we left DOS!
> > BTW, from the faint sounds from the HDD and the power supply of the HDD
> > docking station seemed more like a stiction issue ==> refusal to spin
> > up.
> KM> Stiction can usually be overcome with the heat/chill/smack
> KM> treatment. The repeated clank is usually a failure somewhere.
> Right. Tried the smack option but didn't work. Had thought of the heat
> or chill options. The HDD self-diagnostics had given a major failure
> error -- for some reason I'm thinking '1307' but could be way off. Had looked
> up the number and it wasn't good -- definitely in the "you're
> screwed" category. Had already been able to recover the data I wanted
Ouch.
> so was reasonably sure private data like credit card information wasn't
> on it, or at least no unencrypted. Would have preferred to have
> properly wiped the drive but as I couldn't get it to spin up that may
> have been sufficient for the casual hackers. Broke a few connections to
> more discourage.
Casual hackers aren't playing with nonfunctional HDs, but it's not like
you can't buy parts. Still, it's about in the same category as worrying
over whether the sun will go nova.
> > I was running a Raspberry Pi 3 in the Storage Area -- had a couple of the
> > 'security' cameras attached. Got too hot in Storage Area and the RPi
> > partially shut down: would run/forward data from one camera, then the
> > other camera....
> KM> Well, no one likes raw Pi....
> A little cake batter isn't bad....
And cookie dough is delicious! <g>
> > I probably should track my hardware better; I know most of the Frontends
> KM> Cuz I couldn't keep track either....
> KM> http://www.twilightasylum.com/pc/the_borg.htm
> KM> Silver is the 'new' frankenputer. Not completely moved over from
> KM> Paladin yet, on account on Weds. <sniff...sniff...!!> Paladin's
> KM> video card decided to hold a BBQ, about two degrees cooler than
> KM> "on fire" !! So replaced that with whatever was handy and looked
> What kind of videos are you looking at?! <g>
Not that kind <g>
> KM> newer than 1999.... <looks again> ...er, 1997... then while it
> KM> was apart thought I'd cleverly replace the old 10/100 NIC with
> KM> the New! Improved!! gigabit NIC... this is when I discovered that
> KM> the Files & Settings Transfer Wizard, which sounded like a good
> KM> idea but refused to work, disables gigabit networking. Had to
> Hmmm: wonder if that's what happened here with the original XP? "All of
> a sudden" the NIC woul donly work if connected to the gateway/router
> whioch had a 10/100 port. Years of being connected to the 10/100/1000
> hub suddenly stopped working.
Kinda sounds familiar, don't it. :(
> KM> 1) "Allow Windows to turn off NIC to save power" -- this
> KM> apparently also disabled the 2nd HD.
> I'd be wondering why and figuring I'd start paying a dollar extra on the
> electric bill.
Heh :)
> KM> 2) Antique vidcard can't cope with screensaver.
> KM> Turned both off and no more problems.
Spoke too soon, something is still locking up after it's been up a
while... need to break down and replace the antique vidcard. I do have a better
one lying in wait, I just had to remember that I had it. <g>
> I've had issues where the TV wouldn't re-find the Frontend computer when
> inputs switched from HDMI to TV and back to HDMI.
Yeah, seen that kind of thing.
> KM> And along the way... Paladin had never agreed to share files over
> KM> the network despite being set to share (it could see everyone
> KM> else, but no one could see it), but now that we've got new HDs,
> KM> they claim to be unshared again. Hmm... So I did the Share thing
> KM> and lo and behold, this time it worked! Must have been a flag set
> KM> wrong in the bowels of the old HDs, rather than anything wrong in
> KM> Windows.
> Yup: possibly a 'protection'. Here if I try to save photgraphs to the
Probably just screwed up. It never wanted to show me a Security Tab for
the Windows drive, for starters. Win7 is stupid that way too -- I can
share any directory on the boot drive, but not the root.
> KM> So that's how I spent MY week!
> I would not want to trade problems but wouldn't mind corroborating!
We could invent new and different problems!!
> > are Intel-based just because Intel works a lot better with Linux, or at
> > least in the old days AMD wasn't as Linux-friendly.
> KM> Cuz one whole family of AMD CPUs claimed to be 32bit, but in fact
> KM> would only do 16bit. And they've always tweaked things so they
> KM> benchmark fantastic, if you only use gamer type benchmarks. Not
> KM> so good if you're crunching real data.
> Wow! Look how fast those cards are dealt in Solitaire!! ...I initially
> thought a gamer computer would be great: if it plays the games fast it
> must be overall fast! Nope.
'Zac'ly. Bloody sloggiest thing I ever used was a K6-2 500MHz.
Equivalent to a P2 or even a first-generation Pentium, right? Nope.
Compared poorly at best, and was downright sluggish on anything that
looked like math. Old P233 ran rings around it.
> I more or less purchase/build with the better/best specs on the CPU as
> I'm disinclined to swap them out -- just a history of not that great
> luck when fiddling with them. Just about everything else I don't have a
> problem .
Well, at least I don't have that problem <g>
> KM> Your computer has antennae??!
> Sure!! Well, on the other end of a coax run.
Explains the Martians. <g>
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